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I'm about to start construction of a shop cabinet, and it will involve a fair bit of gluing with standard yellow carpenter's glue. Unfortunately, my garage/shop is unheated and only partially insulated (i.e. uninsulated).

Outdoor temps are in the 30 to 40°F (-1 to 5°C) range with the garage slightly warmer but not windy.

What impact will this have on glue up? Will it only impact drying time or will it also impact the strength of the joint?

I've been bringing some smaller projects inside to glue them and let the glue dry, however, I don't think the dining room table will be the idea surface for gluing up something larger like a cabinet, and I don't have the handy floor space to store it (and all the clamps) for 24-hours while the glue dries. I could run the air hose from the garage through the dog door to minimize the cold air infiltration as I nail the corners together, but it's really the glue I'm concerned about.

I've got a propane heater and could knock together some sort of structure to tent over with a tarp, but I'm a bit concerned about burning it down, so this might be a last resort option. I also don't know just how warm it would actually get inside. Would this be worth investigating?

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  • Yeah you definitely don't want to glue up at those kinds of temps if you need strength. The usage guidelines given for glues are, like those provided with finishes, probably conservative but you can't have confidence in joints done using an adhesive with a lower-limit temp below that of the workshop. If this sounds too theoretical for you run some quick tests using your own bottle of glue and your own stock — if you get long-grain joints that are weaker than the wood, then you'll know. [FWIW I've done tests with my chosen PVA glue at ~5/6°C and I'm convinced it's not worth the risk.]
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:02
  • P.S. if you do some tests remember the glue surfaces must be freshly worked.
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:02
  • A rolling cabinet/planer cart out of plywood, so some strength will be important. :) That's pretty much what I figured. Write up an answer & I'll give you some magical interwebz points redeemable at your local lumber store for unicorn dust and leprechauns! BTW - thoughts on a warming tent? I guess I should put a thermometer in there to see what kind of temps I can get.
    – FreeMan
    Commented Jan 27, 2021 at 19:15
  • Hey I like the sound of that, I could certain do with more unicorn dust in the workshop!! ....um, it is like Danish oil though, it's not actually made from unicorns, r-right?
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 8:11
  • Only the freshest of unicorns and leprechauns, just like Girl Scout cookies!
    – FreeMan
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 12:16

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The usage guidelines given for glues may be conservative (like those provided with finishes tend to be) but you can't have confidence in joints done using a glue below its minimum stated temperature; where strength is important err on the side of caution.

It's not like PVAs won't glue at all when it's cold, but strength can be severely compromised as any quick tests done in the home workshop should confirm1.

We need some numbers, what temperature is the minimum it's safe to work at? It'll vary from glue to glue, so every user will need to check for themselves. But I'll give examples from Franklin Adhesives, makers of Titebond, since that's possibly the most popular PVA in the US market and in use around the world.

  • For Titebond III:
    To assure a good bond, 45°F is the lowest recommended temperature of the glue, air and materials during application.*
    45°F = 7°C

And note this is the minimum, the basic guideline temp is "above 47°F" (8.3°C).

  • For Titebond II:
    To assure a good bond, 55°F is the lowest recommended temperature of the glue, air and materials during application.*
    55°F = 13°C

For Titebond Original it is between these two temperature, 50°F (10°C).

Warm the project?
Warming both the glue and the wood seems like a good idea, and it is in theory, but it may not be practical inside the workshop because it's not enough to just raise the temperature of the room before you start work. Because, as we know, wood is a poor conductor of heat.

As a result it takes quite a long time for wood to warm up fully. And a warm surface alone may not be enough to ensure the PVA dries and then cures properly, plus the glue itself in its bottle will take ages to reach the ambient temperature just sitting in air2. So really you'd want to warm the working area up from the night before. Ditto if you move the wood to a warmer place.

Switch adhesives
You could seek out an adhesive that's less sensitive to lower temps. This seems like the ideal solution, but the news is still not great.

The original Gorilla glue is apparently suitable for use down to 40°F (4.4°C). Other foaming polyurethane adhesives may be similar or they may not, you will need to check their packaging or the manufacturer's website.

In my case when the temperature drops too low to use PVAs and the project can't wait that means I reach for epoxy. Epoxies as we know cure via a chemical reaction between the two components, more slowly at low temps and faster at higher temps, but they do still cure down to surprisingly low temperatures (in case it needs to be spelled out, if you leave them long enough). When I use 5-min epoxy in a very cold workshop (below 5°C, 41°F) I make sure not to disturb the item for at least 12 hours3, and don't subject it to any strain for a day at absolute minimum.

An advantage of using epoxies at these temperatures is that the working time is quite a bit longer than normal, which is nice, but the long wait for it to cure can be a pain.

Rely on joinery and/or fasteners
Nails and screws don't care what the temperature is :-)

That's a bit limiting of course, so winter time is perhaps the ideal time to practice joints that don't rely on glue, e.g. tusk tenons and drawbored tenons. Also anything that inherently holds together such as lock mitres, and dovetails naturally, which can then be secured with pegs, dowels or brads that are inserted in such a way that they physically prevent the joint from separating.

This same principle can be extended to joinery that doesn't self-lock such as finger/comb/box joints, which can be locked together using dowels/brads driven in from both directions, even better if used dovetail fashion (at opposing angles) and stronger still, diagonally across the joint. Another option is a through peg running vertically through the fingers.


1 In one test I did on a particularly cold day I was able to easily separate two lengths of plywood glued at their ends, barely disturbing the surface veneer (a few fibres came off). Normally you would expect the veneers to almost fully peel from the next ply because PVA joints, if done right, are noticeably stronger than the factory glue joints in plywood.

2 If you need to warm a bottle of glue, or finish for that matter, and you can't wait hours place it in warm water!

3 So no taking clamps off, or even moving the glue-up if it's heavy.

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  • Great info, thank you! I may have to give epoxy a chance. I might also create a tent and see how long it takes to get the air temp > 50°F (if I can). If so, I'll bring wood into the house for 24ish-hours then take it to the glue-up tent. Otherwise, Spring is Coming... This is a simple cabinet/cart out of plywood, and the first woodworking/cabinetry project in ages (vs carpentry), so I'm sticking with the simple rabbet/dado joints for this one. It's a learning experience, so failure is an option, but not a fun one, so I'll be patient.
    – FreeMan
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 12:13
  • Welcome. You wouldn't be the first to try a tent of some kind (I came across this when Googling for the Answer, and it's not the only mention I've seen of something like this). I'm sure it would take very little time to get the air temp up by about 5° in an enclosed space. With a small and not particularly powerful little fan heater in perhaps 15 minutes we can raise the temp in our smallest room enough that you don't need a cap and mittens to spend time there! Had the chance to confirm this multiple times recently [contd]
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 15:29
  • as we had a cold spell, with early-morning temps as low as 23F (unusually cold for our climate), so that room had to have been hovering around 32-35F at most.
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 15:29
  • You're in the UK (I believe), so that does seem a bit chilly for you. We've been around that temp for the last week+. The only unusual thing is that we're usually a bit colder. Oh, and I do keep my glue in the house. ;)
    – FreeMan
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 15:34
  • Oh BTW, in the "it's a small world!" category, this video on using nails was posted by Rex Kruger just last night, Nailed joinery is MUCH better than you think. It's not a comprehensive look at nails and how they can be used (and you certainly don't need to rush an order of cut nails to get your current thing done) but it is a timely reminder that nails can be used for permanent assembly. Even round nails are fine if used right — toenail or angle them in where possible. And there are better round types than your basic smooth-shank wire nails.
    – Graphus
    Commented Jan 28, 2021 at 15:43

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