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I found this large 4' x 3' mirror in the garbage. It is a heavy beast. I plan on making frame for it but I'm worried about the joint.

I only have experience with miter joins and splines which seems the way to go. In this video by Matthias Wandel he made a slightly smaller frame which was just reinforced with splines.

Should splines be good enough or is there something better I should consider or maybe something to do in conjunction with that.

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For something that large, I would want more than just a glue joint holding it together. I would want some sort of mechanical connection between the sides and top/bottom, such as slip tenons, dowels, or mortise and tenon.

If you want the look of a mitered corner, I'd suggest going with mitered half laps. The glue area is much larger, and you can pin the joint if you want.

Mitered Half Lap frame joint

If you go with a mitered joint, make sure the top/bottom are mitered into the sides so gravity will not be pulling the joint apart.

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    You could even use decorative dowel plugs of a contrasting color. – TX Turner Apr 24 '15 at 13:41
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Should splines be good enough or is there something better I should consider or maybe something to do in conjunction with that.

Just a bit on the terminology, a true spline runs lengthways in a slot milled into the face of both mitres, through all or most of the joint (a through spline or stopped spline respectively). A different joint reinforcement, where a piece of wood is inserted into one or more slots milled across the corner is now commonly also described as a spline but this is more accurately described as a mitre key. In the video you link to Matthias is using mitre keys, not splines.

Reinforced mitre joints

Mitre keys are generally regarded as not adding greatly to the strength of the joint, while splines do provide a significant improvement. However, this is with keys and splines of conventional size.

The strength of each reinforcement is due to three factors: structural advantage, the thickness of the wood slivers used and the glue surface area. The splined joint being superior in all regards. However, mitre keys were originally quite small and done using veneer thicknesses, resulting in only modest added strength while the keys in the video on the other hand are far larger than conventional ones and also thicker. So they probably add as much, if not more, strength than a typical spline would, being of relatively modest width (25mm / 1" being a typical maximum).

If you use either sizeable mitre key or fairly wide spline, using wood of some thickness (perhaps above 3mm / 1/8" material) I think it likely that you will end up with joints that are strong enough.

Even saying that, if you would prefer to reinforce the mitres using a method that is faster there are a few I can recommend. And the first two are guaranteed to provide greater stability and strength.

These are L-shaped steel mending plates or plywood corner braces. They are simply screwed or nailed into the frame at the back and essentially make the joint completely rigid.

Last but not least, the simplest reinforcements of all: large staples or corrugated fasteners. If you don't have any philosophical objection to using mechanical fasteners both of these require no effort to install yet add hugely to the strength of the joint, as the metal would have to shear through or be torn free from the wood for them to fail. Some people consider them crude and ugly, but they work and I would argue that their ugliness is irrelevant as they are on the back of the joint where nobody will ever see them.

  • Ah i see. I have been doing keyed mitres this whole time. Always appreciate you input. I find keyed mitre easier to do so as long as they are big enough I should be able to still use them! – Matt Apr 24 '15 at 16:04
  • I've been trying to figure out what those things were. I was trying to find "corrugated fasteners" before. Thanks – Matt Apr 24 '15 at 17:24
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LeeG's answer is a good one, but I would also say that a well done spline joint would also work, you would just have to make sure the spline goes all the way through the width of the frame not just a little corner of it.

It should then give you a similar gluing surface as LeeG's answer. It might come down to which one is easier for you to create.

Though on of the things you could do to make either stronger would be to make 'pins' that go through the frame from the front of a different wood, thus giving it more strength AND a nice pretty accent.

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  • When you say 'pins' would something like a dowel work for that? I guess like TX is suggesting. I don't see myself making mitre lap joins currently. – Matt Apr 24 '15 at 14:29
  • @Matt Yes, dowels could work, if you can drill 'square' holes you can make square pegs too. (added a couple pics). I've seen where they have left the pegs proud and shaped them a little, can't find any pictures online showing that – bowlturner Apr 24 '15 at 14:33
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In cases where you do not want to damage the outer edge of a decorative frame (Like a nice picture frame) you could do this with a biscuit joiner. I have made many strong frames with a "detail biscuit joiner", a perfect mitered cut and wood glue.

  • I think biscuit joinery is an excellent option for mitre joints. What the lack in sexiness they make up for in strength, ease and repeatability. – datUser Apr 24 '15 at 19:41
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What about adding a grove in your actual frame to allow the mirror to sit closer to the front. Then you could get some sheet material and pin/fasten from the back. Then you would have that additional cohesion of the fasteners all around the mirror.

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