I'm building a simple stool to practice hand-tool woodworking. I'm roughly following the Paul Sellers and Rex Kreuger how-to videos here and here.

I managed to cut the tenons pretty close to the stool, but I had a devil of a time getting the stubs to be flush with the seat; I also really messed up the surface finish of the seat in the process with scratches and digs from the saw and, later, the handplane.

tenons with tearout and scuff marks marring seat

The stool seat is hard maple, and the legs are ash - it's my first time working with ash and I found the end-grain very difficult to plane or pare with any degree of control.

close-up of tearout, which goes deeper than the level of the seat

The spelching you can see here was really disheartening - it happened at the end of a paring cut with the chisel. However, I got similar results with the plane (but not as severe, since the tenon-stubs were taller when I was trying the plane).

I'm relatively sure sharpness isn't at issue; I sharpened my plane iron and the chisel right before trying this (I knew planing endgrain was a pain) to the extent they were both able to take hairs off my arm.

I know from the Paul Sellers video that too-tall tenon stubs are quite tricky, so I'm sure this was part of my issue, although I don't see how I could cut any closer to the seat without completely marring the surface.

Eventually I gave up and flattened the last bits with a sandpaper-block, even though I was trying to avoid using any abrasives and achieve an OK finish with the plane. However, the sandpaper (400 grit) scuffed up the maple figure and I had to do a finishing pass with the plane afterwards. (This was its own challenge, probably best for another question though).

So my question is, what should I have done here? How do I trim the tenons so they are flush without messing up the surface of the seat? Alternately, if it's a foregone conclusion that the seat will be marred, how do I plane it so I'm not catching on the tenon-grain as I'm planing with the seat-grain?

Thanks for any help you can provide!


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    I am by no means an expert on tenoning legs, but the way that has split makes me believe that the tenon is too small for the mortise. If it had been a proper fit, the mortise wouldn't have left room for the end grain to have separated like that. Also, I'd think your life would have been much easier if the grain of the leg went the same direction as the grain of the seat. Again, I'm no expert, but those are my thoughts based on logic, not experience.
    – FreeMan
    Nov 30, 2020 at 15:21

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Don't beat yourself up too badly over this. You've just learned empirically (as many of us have!) the one key lesson of flushing projecting tenons or dowels — don't work them1 until they're almost flush already.

The way to do this is to saw off as much of the projecting wood as possible (ideally all, but in practice this isn't always doable).

You don't absolutely need a flush-cutting saw for this task. Now to be fair, flush-cut saws can now be bought relatively inexpensively but you tend to have to pay a bit more for ones that truly work as advertised. Plus, these are single-purpose tools, something that not a few woodworkers try to avoid buying. And worst is that even with these you may end up marring the surrounding surface anyway!2

So if you also want to limit your toolkit to the minimum you can use any number of other saws for this, and do one of the following.

  • Saw very carefully to minimise scratching the surrounding surface — which you know you're going to be planing or sanding anyway, easily erasing such minor scratches.
  • Use one of various tricks to limit, or prevent, the teeth of the saw from leaving any scratches. These tricks include using tape or thin card around the tenon/dowel, and applying tape or thin card to the side of the saw blade itself.

Flush-cutting tricks

This way you're only subsequently removing wood equal to the thickness of one layer of tape or thin card by paring, planing, scraping and/or sanding. Note that you still have to be careful of minor chipout until the wood is absolutely flush.

I'm relatively sure sharpness isn't at issue; I sharpened my plane iron and the chisel right before trying this (I knew planing endgrain was a pain) to the extent they were both able to take hairs off my arm.

As covered in a previous Answer or two, shaving arm hair is not a good proxy for a cutting tool's ability to cut wood. What is a good proxy is the ability to cut wood :-) so keep scraps of pine on hand — not a harder wood, softer woods are much less forgiving — and use their end grain if you want to test sharpness in a meaningful way.

Eventually I gave up and flattened the last bits with a sandpaper-block, even though I was trying to avoid using any abrasives and achieve an OK finish with the plane.

You should feel absolutely no shame in this, there is too much emphasis being placed by some online sources that finish-planing wood is the thing to aim for. Finish-planing meaning the very last thing to touch the surface is the plane, with absolutely no scraping or sanding afterwards.

While this is something you can aim for I'll let you in on a dirty secret of Western woodworking: almost nobody does this.

Even the people who espouse a high degree of planing proficiency, and tell you their 'secrets' for sharpening and plane setup to achieve this, are regularly scraping or sanding some or all of their surfaces. The fact is that sometimes the wood won't cooperate with your tools, so you have to take an alternate route to achieve the end result you want.

I'll paraphrase something Chris Schwarz said one time, plane until you can't improve the surface any more, scrape until you can't improve the surface any more, then sand.

1 This includes paring, planing, scraping and sanding. All of these processes are capable of breaking out wood (AKA spelching) on the far side of the projection being worked.

2 See more on Popular Woodworking, The Truth About Flush-cutting Saws.

  • Thanks for another helpful and thorough answer @graphus! The playing-card/business-card trick is the most useful bit for me right now, although the sharpness tips and the word "spelching" were also new to me
    – AKA
    Nov 30, 2020 at 14:02
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    You're most welcome. If I can help further with your sharpening journey please hit me up for advice. I well remember what it was like when I thought my tools were sharp (but they weren't, not really) and I'm the complete opposite of the usual thing you see online, the there's only one way to sharpen and it's my way dudes. I know, and practice, the many-routes-to-sharp mantra. Now bear in mind 'sharp enough to do the job' is most definitely a thing. Super, super sharp is great and all but on a daily basis only if you can achieve it quickly and easily, and perhaps surprisingly [contd]
    – Graphus
    Nov 30, 2020 at 15:05
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    ... is really only of paramount importance with chisels. Plane irons can function well if they're less than perfectly sharp (which, bizarrely, is how they spend most of their lives in practice!) Extra Super Duper Sharp™ is only worth having in a lot of cases if you can achieve it in under around 3 minutes. Anything longer than that is really too long for day-to-day honing (because it introduces such an interruption to the flow of work). And while it's not a race it is a realistic goal to aim for under 30 seconds per tool, to go from slightly blunt to fully sharp again.
    – Graphus
    Nov 30, 2020 at 15:08
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    Some follow-on stuff from your Q that I couldn't tackle without my A becoming excessively long & drifting off the main topic. 400 grit is way, way too fine for tackling something like this. That's much finer than many people sand to anyway, particularly if using a film finish. I know how this might sound to you — OMG the scratches! — but you could quite handily start with 80 grit here, especially if you have access to power sanding to more quickly work up through the grits. Even working entirely by hand though, I'd start with fresh 80 grit, then 120, then 150 or 180 (assuming sanding only).
    – Graphus
    Nov 30, 2020 at 15:26
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    As mentioned by @AlaskaMan a Japanese pull saw is a great option for this and since they are great tools for many things, you avoid the 'single purpose' problem. They are relatively easy to come by these days e.g. you can be find basic ones in big-box stores.
    – JimmyJames
    Nov 30, 2020 at 15:32

I am not an expert but i think i would use a flush cut saw instead of a chisel.

Make the tenon a little long, at least a 1/4" and then use the flush cut hand saw to cut off the extra.

A flush cut saw has straight teeth so as to not gouge the surface it is laying on and moving across. Once it is cut you sand the top.

Flush Cut Saws

Japanese Hand Saws

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    That ^^ and if not the flush cut saw, then always chisel toward the center of something like that. FWIW, ash is extremely troublesome in this way. I know you might be fighting geometry, but I'd think about ways of re-cutting the legs and getting them to stick up above to be cut. Nov 30, 2020 at 0:13
  • Thanks for the quick reply! I am in a remote location, so going out to buy a woodworking saw is about a 2.5 hour round trip :-( I see there's consensus about both the specialty saw and the necessity of using an abrasive, which is illuminating - all the YouTubers I learn from are helpful but I had a sneaking suspicion they were overdoing the "hand tool purist" stuff...
    – AKA
    Nov 30, 2020 at 14:01

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