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I'm finding that a lot of debris is falling onto the thread of my vice and sticking to the grease that's on there to lubricate it.

What techniques are there to keep either (1) keep this from happening or (2) to easily clean this after each use given the consideration that it needs to remain lubricated?

The vice is an Eclipse EWWQR9 if that matters.

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    You don't need to sweat this overmuch. As you can imagine this is a common issue with almost all users of such vices. Some amount of wood dust within the system won't affect function much, although periodic brushing off of the worst of it is good practice. But one way to minimise the problem is to stop using grease to lubricate, switch to wax instead since it's not sticky. – Graphus Jun 28 at 7:27
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    @Graphus I'd imagine that using wax means removing the grease, with which it was most likely shipped, first. – FreeMan Jun 29 at 15:57
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    @FreeMan, uh-huh. – Graphus Jun 30 at 16:25
  • Thanks for the comments. I'll fret less about this now. – Guy Jun 30 at 18:10
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I have the same problem with my Record 52 1/2.

The older ones had a thin sheet metal cover over the screw lead. I cleaned all the old grease and applied a Very thin coat of silicone lubricant.

The dust and crude does not seem to stick to it like it does to grease, plus it lubricates better than wax.

I use it on the guides as well.

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    Hi, welcome to StackExchange. The sheet-metal cover you refer to has limited utility in keeping the threads and guide rods free of dust because it only covered the rear portion of the vice body, which was already protected (mostly or completely) but the way that vices are attached to the underside of the benchtop. Record eventually stopped offering the option, going back to open-topped designs across their full range. – Graphus Jul 12 at 8:46
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    I was aware of the. Discontinuing them back I believe in the early 60s. The piece only helped if you used dogholes. – Rio Vista Andy Jul 12 at 20:43
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You don't need to sweat this overmuch.

As you can imagine this is a common issue with almost all users of such vices — some amount of wood dust inevitably finds its way into the mechanism of working vices where the thread and guide rods are exposed during use, and such vices are built with loose tolerances so this won't affect function much. It can actually take years and years (literally decades in some cases) for the buildup of dust within the mechanism to become so great that the vice begins to bog down, and/or the lock to begin to slip.

Although periodic brushing off of the worst of the detritus is good practice, the guide rods (where the tolerances are tighter) are self-cleaning to a degree. There's some indication of this in the photograph you posted, where the rods have been wiped clean where they enter the rear jaw.

One way to minimise the problem is to stop using oil or grease (any kind) to lubricate, and instead use wax. Now a vice's drive screw should really be greased, not simply oiled, and wax is not really an ideal replacement for grease on screw threads in regular use. But, we can see in the photograph that these are buttress threads, meaning this is a quick-release vice. This makes this approach even more viable since much of the major movement of the vice in both directions can be accomplished without actually using the screw at all.

However, there is no rule that says that you can't use more than one lubricant on a single mechanism. Here only a short length of the screw and guide rods commonly have dust and chips falling on them. So clean just the portion of them that is most commonly exposed with white spirit/mineral spirits and then wax, leaving the remainder lubricated with grease, and you get the best of both worlds.

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I've never used wax, as all the threads I've ever encountered like this were pre-greased. If I ever get or build one of those wood-thread vises I'll use some sort of wax. But for now I'm stuck with metal-on-metal screws.

I've experimented with various lubes, greases, and oils over time, and I've found that lighter oils are the best.

They'll still attract sawdust the same way (or maybe a little less) as grease, but it seems easier to cleanup. I bought a metal can of WD-40 and a refillable spray bottle, and I give the threads a few squirts, and then wipe most of the softened crud off with a rag. Basically, I use WD-40 as a cleaner and rust-preventive. For vises used in woodworking, it also provides enough lubrication.

The downside is that petroleum-based oils can stain wood, so you have to be careful with pieces you are getting ready for finishing.

I've found that silicone or other synthetic lubes often don't stain (but you have to make sure it is one of the safe-for-wood types) but gunk up just as much as organic lubes. Maybe a light silicone oil would work the same as WD-40, but I have not tried it.

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  • Two quick things on threads jdv. The vice pictured has buttress threads, not acme. And threads cut in wood are all V-profile aren't they, not acme which is sort of square? – Graphus Jul 20 at 9:10
  • I saw that once I went back to the picture. I just assumed it would be acme threads. Dunno about wood threads, actually. It occurs to me that the detail is unnecessary anyway. – jdv Jul 20 at 12:54
  • Yes wood threads are (I think always, but certainly usually) V-profile, but with a shallower angle than threading in metal, to make them more robust. I think the standard angle for metal is 60° while for threads cut into wood 90° is commonplace. – Graphus Jul 21 at 6:28

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