I am new to this forum so please bear with me.

My wife wants a "retro" shelf in the kitchen and wants it as figure B on the image.

Is there a difference in "strength" (i.e., able to hold more or less weight) between figure A or B.

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Shelf B will have on the bottom the same flange as it will have on the top (and wall) which will be connected with 3 strong 5mm bolts through the shelf.

edit: this is the idea but with 3 instead of 2 flange sets
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    Jan 7, 2020 at 15:32
  • What is the construction of the wall (drywall? brick? lathe and plaster?) and how are you planning to attach the flange to the wall? Will you be going into structure or drywall? Jan 7, 2020 at 17:03
  • @SaSSafraS1232, It will be attached to a brick wall, the shelf will be against the wall. Each flange-set will be connected to the wall using 5,0x50mm screws (using wall plugs). The shelf itself is 160x25x3cm (douglas pine) so using 3 sets of those flange "constructions". One in the middle, one 40cm to left one 40cm to the right of it.
    – Jerry.S
    Jan 8, 2020 at 6:39
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    Within certain limits there's not enough difference in the weight the shelves can hold for there to be any reason to pick A over B (assumes the fixing to the wall will be the point of failure). However you haven't mentioned the weight you expect the shelf to hold. If it would be loaded very heavily the shelf material itself could be the point of 'failure'.... not that it will break, but bend noticeably which most find unacceptable. However this worry (if you had it at all, 3cm material is very stiff, even in softwoods) vanishes with a third bracket. >50kg would be no problem for this shelf.
    – Graphus
    Jan 8, 2020 at 8:21
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    @Graphus. thank you for taking time to comment. Leaving out relevant information was lack of time from my side and shouldn't be any excuse not doing it, sorry for that. The information (answers/comments) helped a lot and is appreciated. About the weight it should (expected) hold, will be a max of 10kg to 15kg, known strength for a set flanges as shown should be around 15kg each, so shelf(+/- 6kg) and expected weight of "stuff" should be inside the range of possibility. Thank you.
    – Jerry.S
    Jan 8, 2020 at 8:58

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If this is going into drywall the weakest point is probably the attachment of the wall flange to the wall. With regards to this joint design B is substantially better than design A, since in A the shelf can pivot out from the wall and apply a tension force to the anchors (i.e. pulling them out). In design B the shelf will be against the wall and the force on the anchors will mainly be in shear (i.e. pulling them down), where they are stronger (unless the load on the shelf is significantly uneven biased towards the front).

Even if this is attached to the structure of the building I still think I would prefer design B, as you could get compression of the drywall over time with design A, leading to a wobbly shelf tilting out from the wall.

If this is attached to masonry or concrete with appropriate anchors I think either design is more than strong enough.


It depends.

Shelf B has a failure mode not available to Shelf A; specifically, the joint between the brackets and the shelf is in tension, so it can separate.

On the other hand, if both shelves fail because the brackets pull out of the wall or the shelf breaks then this failure mode is irrelevant.

There are two ways round this failure mode. One solution is to use enough screws from the bracket into the shelf that the construct will support the maximum load that is likely to be applied (that will be difficult if the shelf is chipboard). The other is to have a metal bearer under the shelf and bolt through the shelf into the bracket (with large enough bolts).

In conclusion: There is no fundamental reason that you should not be able to provide a shelf of adequate strength of the design required by SWMBO (and if my experience is anything to go by, any additional hassle will be much less than that involved in changing the design).


If we ignore or fix the bracket-shelf joint failure Martin Bonner mentioned and assume that the shelf touches the wall, but is not attached to it in either case, I expect design B to put lower forces on the wall joint. This maters if you screw it into drywall with no studs behind.

In case of A, weight placed on the edge of the shelf pulls shelf away from the wall and strains bracket-wall joint. In case of B, weight on the edge pushes shelf into the wall, partially distributing the force horizontally, so a heavier weight is needed to pull screws out of drywall.

  • B can be reinforced from below by adding more brackets too :)
    – Eugene
    Jan 7, 2020 at 17:34

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